Let me address the most personal notes first: This is not a new snark. This is based on an old antir.com email I came across while cleaning out my old printout files. (We had access to a diamond-cut shredder for EarthDay, at work. It was lovely to see a certain pointy-hatted jerk’s emails and MySpace posts shredded, let me assure you. :P)
I’m not going to post any “new” snarks. I’ve been inspired by unawicca, who does not post things that have just happened to her. I HAVE posted things that have just happened to me and, frankly, they’ve come back to bite me in the butt. I don’t want a solution. I don’t want dialogue. I just wanna kvetch!
So, some data:
- Thank you for the feedback. Please remember that liquids are not to pass through nasal passages. The Heralds call that “norking through the nose” and it’s considered appropriate for hazard pay, if we got paid for this.
- Re: Undergown for unawicca
- Re: Tabletweaving for hlwoods
Unfortunately, the frescos seem to be of people “at play” (or involved in religious ceremonies: “the Bull Leapers” or “the Saffron Gatherers”) – there’s no visual representations of people “at work.” No farmers, no hunters, no weavers, no mothers with their children, etc.
Recreating clothing from statuary and frescos, there’s the possibility that the “bands” of pattern along the seams of the tunic-top and the bottoms of the layered skirts and men’s kilts were tabletwoven. It’s possible! We just have no archaeological or visual indications either way.
- Re: Egyptian decorations for stitchwhich
This makes the Minoan/Egyptian connection roughly contemporary with the reign of Pharoh-Queen Hatshepsut and her successor Thutmosis III. The male figures (unfortunately, only male) in the frescos are wearing Minoan-style kilts (very different than the Egyptian ones) and carrying Minoan-style rhytons (vessels). The name commonly used for Minoan-culture peoples in Egyptian art seems to be “Keftiu”
Alas, very old and untimely snark. Not sure if that makes it good cartoon fodder or not
Re: research and results for heatermcca
Well, you can see the resulting Minoan dress in a few images online…
I’m working on finding the copies of my documentation. My former Baroness may have a paper printout still….I can’t find any of my electronic files for it, which really bugs me, since it’s a huge paper. It was for my sergeant’s trials and I’m rather attached to it. :P Almost everything I own is in storage, since I’m living in a room. So I’ll have to check with Marian. If she has a paper copy, at least I could scan it.
Re: late period snobs for angharadalbanes
You know, I never thought of that! I get flack for being “out of period” sometimes, but it’s less of a problem now that I’m a better fighter. :D
Re: not a primary source for alexandralynch
The Internet is an idiot savant, seriously. Sometimes you can find the most amazing pictures, and sometimes it’s just the same old re-iterated lies.
Re: making Minoan for krazyfiberkat
ooooooo… you worked on Groa’s Minoan? What was that process like? What fabrics did you use…it was for a July coronation, right?
Re: old paper -- to hrothgar1
Hey, Marian? Do you have a printout of that old Minoan paper in your Stuff From Old Sergeants piles? If you stumble across it in your cleaning frenzy... :)
The research paper is something I’m proud of – I worked very hard at it, and made a lot of choices based on my understanding of the technology and the materials and the archaeological finds. That’s not to say I’d make the same choices again. I wrote that paper back in 1998/1999 – there’s been new information come to light since then (ooooooh, the Thera excavation!). Ideas have changed.
For example, I wouldn’t use wool, if I were making another Minoan gown, which means I disagree with Barber, but after *wearing* the gown, I have to say it would be unpleasant in the summer, even of the lightest weight wool. Seriously, gah! But I would still advocate an undergown.